Ineos Grenadiers team vehicles targeted by environmental campaigners in Belgium

Interesting you say that Giles, British Cycling sposnored by HSBC and their problems in China / HK not a problem nor their associations with the National Gambling Association (Lottery)

Don't get me wrong, alot of their business is crap for the planet and Big Jim is an arse, but they are also working for the better and investing in renewables. I'm by no way defending them, I don't think they should be anywhere near sport, just as UAE, Qatar and other dodgy countries should not be, but the world we live in, sometimes you've just got to take the money from where you can get it as sponsorship.

https://www.ineos.com/news/shared-news/ineos-agrees-to-the-largest-ever-...

https://www.ineos.com/inch-magazine/articles/issue-8/clean-energy/

You've done well to write that comment without using any petrochemical derived products.

Yawn.

As a private individual, I'm doing my best. As the boss of a huge co with a massive impact, Ratcliffe is doing his worst.

If you've got a good faith opinion, feel free to express it. If it's just Debating Club tactics ('when you've got nothing of substance to say, attack your opponent instead'), feel free to keep schtum.

I like the yawn from the person who posts the same thing under any story on Ineos.

You might be 'doing your best' but I bet you're still using a huge amount of products derived from petrochemicals.

As is virtually every other person in the UK.

Feigning outrage at the pollution caused by those products while continuing to use them is hypocrisy plain and simple.

You should be grateful that Ineos are in the UK, it reduces the environmental impact of the products that you use.

From that perspective your perpetual criticism of 'Scotland's biggest CO2 producer' is nonsensical.

Instead of continually posting the same inanities why not suggest an alternative to Ineos that produces the same products in a more environmentally sound way?

Show us a way to do anything these days without using petro-chemical based products and I suspect plenty of people would be keen. Defending INEOS by saying that petro-chemical products are ubiqitous is puerile and over-simplistic. So how about YOU posting some ideas to reduce our reliance rather than criticising someone's principled stance?

If your 'principled stance' is nothing but self serving hypocrisy then it deserves to be ridiculed.

I use as little plastic etc as I can but I also recognise that while our society still uses gargantuan quantities of petrochemical derivatives the most environmentally friendly approach is to manufacture those products in the UK.

The only way to significantly reduce the pollution caused by Ineos is to reduce the demand for their products.

Criticising Ineos achieves precisely nothing.

Never thought I'd see the day of agreeing with Rich but here goes. Anyone suggesting such companies should stay away from sport really don't want to watch professional sport. Morally it is a race to the bottom, plus add all the pollutants and waste from a grand tour and you could argue we shouldn't have it at all.

Enjoy the cycling and ignore the sponsorship, simple.