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“Cyclists are running riot!” Richard Madeley, Timmy Mallett, and Howard Cox ‘debate’ bike number plates on Good Morning Britain; Backlash against “sexist” race organiser who called pro riders “spoiled children” over safety fears + more on the live blog

It’s Monday, and after a weekend spent watching the Netflix Tour de France doc (I mean, riding his bike), Ryan Mallon’s back for another sunny, and hopefully entertaining, week on the live blog

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12 June 2023, 08:06
Howard Cox and Timmy Mallett debate cycling number plates on Good Morning Britain
“Cyclists are running riot!” Richard Madeley, Timmy Mallett, and Howard Cox ‘debate’ bike number plates on Good Morning Britain – as Fair Fuel UK founder claims cyclists “don’t contribute anything financially to the roads”

So, Richard Madeley, Timmy Mallett, and Howard Cox walk into a TV studio and debate whether cyclists should be forced to put registration plates on their bikes…

No, I’m not describing a live blog and warm weather-induced fever dream I had last night – that was what actually occurred this morning on Good Morning Britain, the home of sensible, breakfast-accompanying discussion in the UK.

And, you’ll perhaps be surprised to learn (though maybe not), it was even more frustrating than it sounds.

Truncated due to Michael Gove’s incessant blathering about some former MP (Boris somebody? I didn’t quite catch the name), the ‘debate’ – titled “Should cyclists have registration plates?” – was an awkward, random, and chaotic assortment of mystifying statements and anti-cycling bingo tropes.

Fair Fuel UK founder Cox – a friend of the live blog – made sure to hit all his favourite points right from the start.

“As any HGV, van, or taxi driver will tell you, cyclists are running riot, running red lights, riding on pavements,” he said.

Cox also noted that people using e-bikes are riding at “30, 35mph” in 20mph zones (a claim that made e-bike aficionado Mallett raise his eyebrows), while he – again dubiously, I must add – added that cyclists “don’t contribute anything financially to the roads”.

Hmmm…

> 'Road tax' is coming... but not for cyclists

Unfortunately, the brilliantly attired Mallett was somewhat less succinct in formulating his own argument against cycling number plates (such as the ludicrous amount of resources that would be required to implement such a measure), a debating style not helped by Richard “I ride my bike every three days” Madeley ignoring his attempts to intervene during Cox’s more questionable claims.

Of course, what passed as a debate on British breakfast TV comes just days after Italy’s transport minister pledged to introduce tougher laws for cyclists, including requiring riders to wear a helmet, take out insurance, and put number plates and indicators on their bikes – before almost immediately backpedalling in the midst of a fierce backlash by claiming that the laws were only ever intended for scooter users.

> Cyclists blast Italian government’s “extremely worrying” plans to introduce bike registration plates and insurance

(Remind you of anyone, Grant?)

And anyway, despite all that nonsense on GMB, surely the Great British public have a much more considered take on the whole matter… or maybe not.

According to a Twitter poll carried out this morning by the programme, at the time of writing 70 percent of respondents believe that cyclists should in fact have number plates:

Oh dear… Timmy, come back!

12 June 2023, 14:45
“It was a good April Fool’s gag in 1985”: Timmy Mallett responds to TV debate that “was over before it began”, and calls for “education not legislation”

Richard Madeley may not have afforded him too much time to stick up for cyclists on national television, but at least Timmy Mallett can take to Strava to rubbish the argument that people on bikes should carry around registration plates.

Timmy Mallett responds to Good Morning Britain number plates debate (Strava, Timmy Mallett)

Posting on the app following his abrupt, rather frustrating appearance alongside Fair Fuel UK’s Howard Cox this morning, the broadcaster wrote:

Come and be in a telly debate… except they rand out of time! And the whole piece was over before it began.

So I got on my bike and pedalled back to Berkshire off road and cycle trails through Osterley Park, Langley Park, Grand Union Canal tow path, Colne Valley trail, and Burnham Beeches. Nice (top speed – slow).

Should bicycles have number plates, MOTs, licences?

It was a good April Fool’s gag on Wacaday in 1985.

Let’s try practising nice behaviour on the roads and when we come across someone who rubs us up the wrong way imagine they are someone you know.

Someone you like…

It’s education, not legislation.

(North Korea is the only country to have something like this, and at the last count we don’t take lessons from there.)

12 June 2023, 15:45
Last word on cycling number plates…
12 June 2023, 15:11
Bini’s back! Girmay returns to winning ways with comfortable sprint win at the Tour de Suisse… and gets mobbed by his adoring Eritrean fans

Biniam Girmay has certainly whetted the appetite for the sprint stages at next month’s Tour de France, outsprinting Arnaud Démare and Wout van Aert to take a confidence-boosting comeback win on stage two of the Tour de Suisse this afternoon.

After last year’s sensational breakthrough season, which saw him take top-tier wins at Gent-Wevelgem and the Giro d’Italia, 2023 has been a topsy-turvy one for the 23-year-old, with an early win at Valenciana and decent placings at Tirreno-Adriatico overshadowed by a subpar (for his already lofty standards) classics campaign, which ended in miserable fashion following a horrible crash at the Tour of Flanders.

Following his comeback from concussion last week, the Eritrean star took fourth at the Brussels Cycling Classic, and underlined his return to form today with an impressively strong surge at the end of a cagey sprint in Nottwil.

As the pace slowed on the final straight, as lead-out men peeled off early, it was left to Van Aert to open the sprint from 300m out. While the Belgian struck out from distance, so did Girmay, who quickly jumped off the wheel of Movistar’s Iván García Cortina before overhauling the fading Van Aert in the final 75 metres. A fast finish from Démare, who found himself boxed in at the crucial moment, wasn’t enough to beat the flying Girmay, who sealed his return to the top in typically flamboyant fashion to take his first win since February and put down an ominous marker for next month’s Tour.

Oh, as well as sparking a brilliant, joyous outpouring of emotion from the jubilant Bini fan club at the finish…

Absolute scenes.

12 June 2023, 14:09
Egan Bernal at the 2020 Tour de France (picture credit Alex Whitehead, SWpix.com)
Is Egan Bernal heading to the Tour de France?

Judging by his Strava, it looks like 2019 Tour de France winner Egan Bernal could be set to make his first appearance for three years at cycling’s biggest race next month.

The 26-year-old appears to be slowly returning to form following his horrific training crash last year, picking up two top tens overall at the Tour de Romandie and Tour de Hongrie, before climbing amongst the very best at the Critérium du Dauphiné last week, where he finished 12th on GC.

And today, the Ineos Grenadiers rider followed up his promising week at the Dauphiné by undertaking a recce of stage 16 of this year’s Tour, a hilly 22.4km individual time trial between Passy and Combloux.

Egan Bernal Tour de France Strava recon

The Colombian’s investigative spin has certainly contributed to raising hopes that he will make his first appearance at the Grande Boucle since abandoning with injury during his ill-fated title defence in 2020.

If Bernal is selected as part of Ineos’ eight-rider squad, it’ll be interesting to see if the British team allows him to go stage hunting, or whether he’ll aim for his own high GC placing or be confined to domestique work as he continues to regain his old strength.

In any case, I’m sure most cycling fans would be delighted just to see one of the sport’s biggest talents back on the biggest stage of them all in July.

12 June 2023, 13:38
“Morality and lack of shame are missing in action”: Greater Manchester mayoral candidate vows to ban World Naked Bike Ride

Greater Manchester independent mayoral candidate (and vocal opponent of all things active travel) Nick Buckley – who you may remember from his chat about Just Stop Oil with concrete grower Mike Graham last month – has outlined his vision for the city and its people… by banning World Naked Bike Ride Day, apparently:

He better stay away from Salford’s magic cycling roundabout, or there’ll be hell to pay! Of course, all this would actually require Buckley getting elected…

12 June 2023, 13:07
2023 Terrino Adriatico Wout Van Aert © Zac Williams-SWpix.com - 3
Wout van Aert criticises “disturbing” Netflix Tour de France series: “It’s focused on commotion”

The reviews are slowly streaming in for Netflix’s long-awaited Tour de France series (we might even get round to chatting about it on the next Podcast episode. Maybe), but one particularly negative review may give the producers some cause for alarm.

Wout van Aert, one of the stars of the series thanks to his stage-winning, green jersey grabbing, mountain domestiquing performance during last year’s race, isn’t too impressed by the series’ apparent need to create drama where, he says, there was none.

Like many F1 stars before him, who questioned the arguably fictional storylines prevalent in Drive to Survive (made, of course, by the same people behind Unchained), Van Aert says the series is too “focused on commotion” – namely that between himself and Jumbo-Visma leader Jonas Vingegaard, who, if you believe Unchained’s narrative, wasn’t too impressed with his Belgian teammate’s decision to ride away solo to a storming stage victory in Calais early on in the race.

Jumbo-Visma Tour de France Jonas Vingegaard Wout van Aert Sepp Kuss Tiesj Benoot Christophe Laporte (A.S.O. / Pauline Ballet)

A.S.O./Pauline Ballet

“I was finally able to take a look. Because strange, but true, although I play one of the leading roles, I did not know what would be seen,” Van Aert, who also says he will focus on stage wins and not the green jersey at next month’s Tour, told Sporza this week.

“It is quite disturbing that stories were written in the documentary that were not there. For me, the series is aimed at commotion.

“Jonas and I are best mates. The focus is on moments when it is difficult to make the right choice, but there are also so many moments in which we have strengthened each other and worked together. It is a pity that that has been removed.”

Hmmm… I wonder if Van Aert’s negative reaction to his onscreen depiction will affect Jumbo-Visma’s co-operation with this year’s documentary, with filming already underway? I suppose we’ll have to wait to next year to find out…

12 June 2023, 12:37
Government will struggle to introduce 'death by dangerous cycling' law before next general election, report suggests

The introduction of a ‘death by dangerous cycling’ law, proposed by then-Transport Secretary Grant Shapps last year, is unlikely to be passed before the next general election due to a lack of parliamentary time – though ministers may now turn their attention to a private member’s bill.

Big Ben © Simon MacMichael

Read more:

> Government will struggle to introduce 'death by dangerous cycling' law before next general election, report suggests

12 June 2023, 11:58
Cyclists in Ferrara 02 (copyright Simon MacMichael)
“Italy’s cyclists are a public menace”: Spectator journalist claims Italian government’s “crackdown on cyclists is long overdue”

Brace yourself. After Howard Cox’s appearance on Good Morning Britain today (as well as Richard Madeley’s latest attempt to out-Partridge himself), it’s the Spectator’s turn to weigh in on cyclists, number plates, tougher rules, and the like.

According to Italy-based Nicholas Farrell, Italian transport minister Matteo Salvini’s plans to make cyclists wear helmets, get insurance, and ride with number plates and indicators (a pledge which the right-wing politician has subsequently backpedalled on) are “long overdue”.

> Italy’s Deputy PM Salvini backpedals on number plates for cyclists – “It’s just for scooters”

Farrell, whose 2003 revisionist history of Benito Mussolini characterised Il Duce as “unfairly maligned”, has his history with cyclists, as his article in today’s Spectator shows.

He notes his first column for a regional paper in Romagna was “tirade against cyclists”, in which he wrote that “I could not help cheer when I read the other day that a cyclist had disappeared into a huge hole in the road he had seen too late and had not come out”.

One paragraph later, Farrell provides us with the reasoning behind this visceral hatred of people on bikes – they “force motorists to waste precious time watching their lycra-clad rear ends bobbing up and down”.

Ah, of course.

Cyclist in Ferrara 01 (copyright Simon MacMichael)

The columnist claims that “years of exposure to their arrogance, illegality, and sense of entitlement has shown me that Italy’s cyclists are a public menace” who “break the laws that already exist pathologically”, and that Salvini’s proposed crackdowns “brought a smile to my face”.

Because, Farrell claims, Italy’s cyclists are a “protected species” (the death toll on the country’s roads suggests otherwise).

> Internet troll who wrote “Run over one cyclist to educate 100” cleared by judge

A nearby road, he says, “is a death trap because it is too narrow and people drive too fast”. But who does he blame? Cyclists, of course.

The Grant Shapps-esque Salvini, according to Farrell, “opposes the tyranny of the cyclist, not in the name of fascism, but in the name of liberty. The liberty, for instance, to go to work. You need look no further than London to see where such a two-wheel tyranny leads. It’s not reactionary, it’s democracy.”

I think I might need a whole new bingo book before today’s finished…

12 June 2023, 11:21
Josh Tarling wins 2022 junior world time trial title (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
From the Roubaix velodrome to the local club 50: Josh Tarling smashes 50-mile time trial record on return to home roads

19-year-old Josh Tarling has enjoyed something of a whirlwind start to life as a professional cyclist.

In his first stage race as a pro, at the Etoile de Bessèges in February, the Ineos Grenadiers youngster finished second in the final 10km time trial, behind former world champion Mads Pedersen no less, before racing against the biggest names in the world at the UAE Tour and Paris-Nice.

Josh Tarling exits the Trouée d'Arenberg at the 2023 Paris-Roubaix (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

A bloodied and battered Tarling exits the Trouée d'Arenberg at the 2023 Paris-Roubaix (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Then, in April, the Welshman became the youngest rider in 86 years to take on the cobbled hell of Paris-Roubaix during his very first classics campaign. Despite a series of crashes and punctures, Tarling bravely battled his way to the Roubaix velodrome (though cruelly he was recorded as outside the time limit).

And now, after racing the Tour of Norway at the end of May, Tarling is enjoying a bit of downtime at home in Wales. And by downtime, I mean smashing every time trial record going.

At yesterday’s Bynea CC 50-mile time trial near Llandovery in Carmarthenshire, the 2022 junior world time trial champion took a whopping 57 seconds off the previous record time, set by Polish TT ace Marcin Bialoblocki in 2019, covering the course in 1:35.26 – almost 25 minutes faster than his nearest rival on the day, Cycling Time Trials reported.

And that’s not all. On Tuesday evening, he set an unofficial course record of 17.37 at the Pontypool RCC 10-mile time trial, and on Thursday beat his own unofficial marker with a 17.22 at the Monmouthshire Wheelers 10.

Blimey. I imagine more than a few Welsh racers will be volunteering to marshal at their local club 10 for the next while…

12 June 2023, 10:51
Elsewhere on road.cc this morning…

Here’s a selection of the latest news, reviews, and previews to help you while away your Monday lunch hour:

Ashworth Road bridge over Cheesden Brook May 2023 (Google Maps)

> "Complex rope rescue" after cyclist crashes from bridge into river

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - riding 2.jpg

> Review: Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 2023

And with the Dauphiné coming to a fairly tepid end yesterday (don’t worry, we’ve still got Wout and Remco at the Tour de Suisse), the countdown to this year’s Tour de France has well and truly started.

So I think it’s about time you became acquainted with the intricacies of this year’s pretty savage route, by getting stuck into our detailed stage-by-stage guide. Unless you’re a time triallist, of course, then this Tour just isn’t for you…

Jonas Vingegaard Tour de France 2022 stage 21 Paris Arc de Triomphe (A.S.O/Aurélien Vialatte)

> Tour de France 2023: From Bilbao to Paris, our stage-by-stage guide to cycling’s biggest race

What do you mean, you still haven’t finished watching the Netflix doc yet?

12 June 2023, 10:21
Timmy Mallett: The Voice of (Utterly Brilliant) Reason

From this morning’s comments section: 

Timmy Mallett blog comment 12 June 2023

It’s Mallett’s world, we’re all just living in it…

12 June 2023, 10:11
Bloody cyclists! (Quite literally…)

Brilliant clip – especially love how the cyclist just nonchalantly rode away across the field afterwards – though I’m less sure that the anti-cycling bashing was necessary in the caption…

12 June 2023, 09:55
So… Pro riders wanting a road closed to traffic means they’re “spoiled”, but when amateurs are riding through…

To add yet more insult to insult to injury, it turns out that it is in fact perfectly possible to completely close off a road through Lourdes for a cycling event.

If that cycling event happens to be an amateur sportive, and not an elite women’s pro race, apparently.

22-year-old British pro Connie Hayes, who was riding the Tour des Pyrénées for AWOL O’Shea – and so experienced first hand the traffic bedlam on the finishing circuit through Catholic Disneyland, I mean Lourdes, on Friday – tweeted yesterday that she was “totally speechless” that the road was completely clear of parked cars, and that junctions were being guarded by police, just two days later… for a sportive.

12 June 2023, 08:56
CIC-Tour Féminin International des Pyrénées (GCN+)
“They think they’re on the Tour de France”: Backlash against “sexist” race organiser who called pro riders “girls” and “spoiled children” over cancellation due to safety fears

Unfortunately, this year’s Tour Féminin des Pyrénées won’t be remembered for a scintillating battle on the fearsome Hautacam, or for Marta Cavalli’s long-awaited return to winning ways after a difficult year.

Instead, the three-day stage race will be remembered for the UCI’s decision to call off the final stage following protests from a peloton concerned for its safety after two stages dominated by members of the public driving on the course (and even towards the riders), parked cars littering the final kilometres of stage one into Lourdes, race motorbike riders creating hazardous conditions, spectators wandering on the roads, a lack of marshals, and, finally, successful calls to neutralise most of the second stage to the foot of the Hautacam.

> "What a mess": Chaos as live traffic passes metres from racing peloton

“Considering the safety risks involved, we firmly believe that a bike race is not worth endangering the lives of the female cyclists,” Adam Hansen, the head of the riders’ union the CPA, said in a statement announcing that yesterday’s third and final stage had been cancelled.

> Tour Féminin des Pyrénées stopped amidst rider safety issues

So, how did the organiser of the Tour des Pyrénées react to being at the centre of a media frenzy (the race’s cancellation even made the BBC’s website!) concerning the running of his event?

By creating another, entirely different kind of media frenzy.

“What is happening is that the girls have requirements that are not in line with their level,” race director Pascal Baudron told La Nouvelle République yesterday morning.

“They imagine that they are on the Tour de France and that all the roads must be closed. But in France you cannot do that.”

Baudron continued: “They are sawing off the branch of which they are sitting. The day when there will be no more races, they will cry and that’s what’s going to happen.

“Quite honestly, I tell myself that it is not worth organising a race to see all those months of effort ruined for the whims of spoiled children.”

Unsurprisingly, Baudron’s questionable use of language, and his belief that top-tier pro cyclists are “spoiled children” for believing that they should be able to race without motorists driving at them, hasn’t gone down too well with most of the cycling community.

Some described the organiser’s comments as “sexist”, “offensive”, and “from the 15th century”, with Twitter user Jonathan writing: “The numerous use of ‘girls’ and ‘spoiled brats’ is quite telling of his attitude towards women”.

“Female riders being called spoiled for, er, not wanting to be hit by cars?” wrote cycling journalist Matilda Price. “Extremely basic levels of safety shouldn’t be the reserve of the Tour.”

“Sounds like it’s the race organisers with ‘requirements above their level,” added Ryan. “They expect the best cyclists in the world to show up to their race but they're not competent enough to fill out the forms to close the roads?”

Organising a major bike race is tough (as we’ve seen in Britain over the past year or so), but that’s certainly one way of ensuring you lose all the sympathy you had from onlookers, I suppose…

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Mungecrundle | 10 months ago
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When proponents of more (anti) cycling legislation, particularly re number plates, state that they "are cyclists themselves". Why not simply ask them what kind of tabard they wear or ID they have attached to their own bicycles and whether they have persuaded their friends and family do likewise? After all, if they are such a great idea, leading to better protections for cyclists, then why not lead by example?

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Shelders | 10 months ago
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Now even BBC 5 Live are doing the 'In my opinion' piece at 730 on breakfast (Tuesday)  on number plates on bikes. 

I'm getting my anti-cycling bingo card ready  2

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 10 months ago
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Where would you put a number plate on a Brompton? At what age would you introduce number plates? Would a child's little Frog bike have a number plate? 

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Car Delenda Est | 10 months ago
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If a 'road tax' existed and were based on damage caused to the road: if a Ford Focus paid £100 p/a a bike would pay around 24p p/a, calculated on the max load of each vehicle.

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andystow replied to Car Delenda Est | 10 months ago
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Car Delenda Est wrote:

If a 'road tax' existed and were based on damage caused to the road: if a Ford Focus paid £100 p/a a bike would pay around 24p p/a, calculated on the max load of each vehicle.

Road damage is weight (mass) to the fourth power, and there's also a factor (which I'm having trouble finding) for speed. The correct answer is closer to a penny.

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marmotte27 replied to andystow | 10 months ago
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It's axle weight to the fourth power. That's how on articulated lorry ends up doing as much damage as 100 000 cars.

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ktache replied to marmotte27 | 10 months ago
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But according to a Nigel, road tyres are worse than jets landing...

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RobD | 10 months ago
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I'm almost at the point where I hope they do bring in registration plates etc, because then the argument has to move on to motorists. At the moment it feels like the 'issue' of cyclists is a convenient distraction to stop the poor standard of over entitled driving that goes on being held to account.

I also love how bad a driver's perception of speed must be with all these 30-35mph cyclists overtaking them.

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hawkinspeter replied to RobD | 10 months ago
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RobD wrote:

I'm almost at the point where I hope they do bring in registration plates etc, because then the argument has to move on to motorists. At the moment it feels like the 'issue' of cyclists is a convenient distraction to stop the poor standard of over entitled driving that goes on being held to account.

I also love how bad a driver's perception of speed must be with all these 30-35mph cyclists overtaking them.

You're assuming that they're basing their opinions on any kind of logic. Bringing in registration plates will do precisely nothing as police don't even have the time to catch motorists without registration plates. I mean, how would they even catch cyclists without plates when the whole point of bringing them in is that they can't be held responsible for their "crimes". There would be absolutely no difference in the attitudes of motorists as the sane motorists realise what an impractically stupid idea it is and the others just want to blame people for the over-crowded roads and those damn cyclists just breezing past them.

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Jimmy Ray Will replied to hawkinspeter | 10 months ago
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Great point... however I think there would be a  big change in attitude from motorists... 'no licencey, no lifey' with more motorists empowered to take out street justice on to any cycling criminals they encounter. 

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eburtthebike replied to RobD | 10 months ago
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RobD wrote:

I'm almost at the point where I hope they do bring in registration plates etc, because then the argument has to move on to motorists.

No, they'd just invent something else about cyclists.

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brooksby | 10 months ago
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Low-traffic neighbourhoods may lead people to drive less, data suggests

Residents in London borough cut their driving by nearly a mile a day after LTNs introduced, says study

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/12/low-traffic-neighbourhoo...

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brooksby | 10 months ago
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What does "nudity" have to do with "morality"?

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Organon | 10 months ago
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Oh lord, the culture wars are in full effect this morning. At least this suggests that cyclist are the 'good guys' as we are onthe end of the stick. 

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IanMSpencer | 10 months ago
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Hmm. My shouty moment yesterday was taking primary while pedalling at 20 in a 20 and still being overtaken by a car with oncoming traffic. They didn't back out but then slowed down for all the humps and bumps. I spent a couple of minutes shooing them forward and generally harassing them in the hope it would dawn on them that they had taken an unnecessary risk at my expense.

So I'm not really interested in examples of cyclists overtaking cars in 20s when motorists, who have plates, insurance, laws and licences, do this with depressing regularity.

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Fignon's ghost | 10 months ago
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It grips my sh!t when people like Madeley talk. Especially when he prematurely overwrites Mallet's point, just as he did. He may cycle "every 3 days". He is still an arsehole.

Does anyone, honestly, watch this consistently awful breakfast shitechat?

Why oh why are we not allowed to put Chris Morris'esque satire back on the telly box?

GMB is head in hands awful.

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the little onion | 10 months ago
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Farrell says re. Salvini "opposes the tyranny of the cyclist, not in the name of fascism, but in the name of liberty"

But both Farrell and Salvini are happy with many aspects of fascist oppression.

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HarrogateSpa | 10 months ago
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I don't watch clickbait stuff on Good Morning Britain, and I don't need to read about it on road.cc.

Today's live blog is one of the worst examples of trying to raise people's blood pressure in pursuit of clicks and engagement.

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EddyBerckx replied to HarrogateSpa | 10 months ago
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HarrogateSpa wrote:

I don't watch clickbait stuff on Good Morning Britain, and I don't need to read about it on road.cc.

Today's live blog is one of the worst examples of trying to raise people's blood pressure in pursuit of clicks and engagement.

Couldn't agree more. I entered the site unstressed and will leave stressed. I don't need this shit, I wish they would stop...else I'll stop coming here  2 

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hawkinspeter replied to HarrogateSpa | 10 months ago
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HarrogateSpa wrote:

I don't watch clickbait stuff on Good Morning Britain, and I don't need to read about it on road.cc.

Today's live blog is one of the worst examples of trying to raise people's blood pressure in pursuit of clicks and engagement.

Well, I've just given blood, so maybe a raise in blood pressure will help prevent fainting.

But yeah, seems like a slow news day

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Sriracha | 10 months ago
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Cox also noted that people using e-bikes are riding at “30, 35mph” in 20mph zones

Deliberately muddying the waters, or genuinely ignorant? At those speeds they are electrically powered motorcycles, which indeed should be taxed, insured and plated. Nothing to do with e-bikes as commonly understood, nor indeed with bicycles.

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Adam Sutton replied to Sriracha | 10 months ago
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These muppets need to get their heads around that. There is a massive difference between someone tooling around on what amounts to an electric motorbike at those speeds and the increasing number of older people I see using e-bikes to gain both some freedom and exercise.

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Sriracha replied to Adam Sutton | 10 months ago
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You don't think the confusion is deliberate? If it can be used to beat the drum in the war against cyclists, why not?

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Adam Sutton replied to Sriracha | 10 months ago
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Sriracha wrote:

You don't think the confusion is deliberate? If it can be used to beat the drum in the war against cyclists, why not?

Oh it absolutely is, and is why any kind of debate with these idiots is pointless. It is like trying to argue with flat earthers.

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brooksby | 10 months ago
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“Italy’s cyclists are a public menace”

I mean, yeah - look at that photo of those two speeding evildoers illustrating this story... 

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The liberty, for instance, to go to work

I - and many others - ride our bikes in normal clothes (no lycra clad bottoms) to go to work.  How does that fit into Mr Farrell's biased worldview?

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Adam Sutton | 10 months ago
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I mean we are talking daytime TV and Twatter. Why is anyone surprised?

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Hirsute | 10 months ago
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The Hexham hop.
Designed to deter errant ebikers.
Also serves as a horse jump.

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IanMK | 10 months ago
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I would love to know the value of the cycling pound to the economy.

I, like many others, love visiting some far flung cafe in some obscure village, at the weekend. I am sure that many of these, largely independent, establishments would struggle without the influx of cyclists. So not just a benefit to the economy but also supporting a local community asset. Surely, all this whilst paying 20% VAT to pay for our road usage.

Conversely, when at the weekend hoards of drivers block up our town with bad parking just to get to the local bathing spot, somebody always suggest that it benefits the local economy. I am yet to see any evidence of this as many might be buying their beer and bbq/picnics out of town before arriving. Even if they do pop in to Tescos or Sainsburys I'm not sure that it's supporting the local economy as these places would survive without them and any surplus profit is unlikely to be spent in the town.

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Oldfatgit replied to IanMK | 10 months ago
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Not only are they buying their beer and BBQs elsewhere, but many of them will be leaving your town - your council tax payers - with the bill for picking their shit up after them.

Having seen the crap that gets left behind every time the sun comes out on a weekend by daytrippers in cars, it would have thought that their impact on the local economy is primarily negative.

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eburtthebike | 10 months ago
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Howard Cox "...what we need to do is get some common sense...."  and then goes off into the realms of idiocy about number plates and tabards.

Yes Howard, you do need some common sense: we don't.

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