Arriving at road.cc in 2017 via 220 Triathlon Magazine, Jack dipped his toe in most jobs on the site and over at eBikeTips before being named the new editor of road.cc in 2020, much to his surprise. His cycling life began during his students days, when he cobbled together a few hundred quid off the back of a hard winter selling hats (long story) and bought his first road bike - a Trek 1.1 that was quickly relegated to winter steed, before it was sadly pinched a few years later. Creatively replacing it with a Trek 1.2, Jack mostly rides this bike around local cycle paths nowadays, but when he wants to get the racer out and be competitive his preferred events are time trials, sportives, triathlons and pogo sticking - the latter being another long story.
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From what I've found out, one of the guys who founded Lios decided to give up and the other guy took over and carried on. The ATTO is a development of the original frame, not only is it now much cheaper but its also c400g lighter. Apparently, the main frame spar is the same but everything else is brand new with reshaped, stronger profiles and better clearance. They've also changed the rear dropout to make it work better with the belt drive.
From what they've said the frames are made in China (what isn't nowadays) but with this new version, they own the frame molds which should stop copies going out of the back door and appearing on alibaba.
20" thick tyres? Well, no need to worry about punctures at least, I suppose...
So Jack, this has been years in development has it? For those with very short memories let me remind you...
https://road.cc/content/tech-news/191201-carbon-lios-nano-lightest-foldi...
This is a stock Chinese frame. Very similar of not the same on Alibaba.
At least Austin are pumping these out considerably cheaper than LIOS.
good spot. This looks identical, apart from the horizontal rear drop outs.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2016-New-design-20-inch-full_6042...
Following the link (http://www.liosfoldingbike.com/ )at the foot of the article you so helpfully link to, they seem to have, er, folded.
Also saw this snippet towards the end of the earlier article:
"The LIOS Nano is a new and totally different product and alongside my business partner Wayland Austin..."
Would that be the same person behind "Austin" Cycles.
Would be even better if not folding.
...and maybe bigger wheels would make for a smoother ride, though probably slower.
Think they might have a winner with this design.
I've seen them do a special drop-bar version with Di2 11 speed Alfine hub. They raced it at the London Nocturne. You're right it did mess up the fold but did make it for a very fast bike. I think they did it just for fun.
Small deep section wheels should be very aero, but the handlebars are straight - they should do a drop-bar version.
I guess drop bars would compromise the compactness when folded?