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Bristol - Pictures show exactly how Park Street will change after major transformation

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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/gallery/pictures-show-ex...

There's some interesting changes planned for Park Street - looks to me as though their going to use appropriate design language for the road/pavement

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brooksby | 3 days ago
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"Businesses say ‘we will leave’ in response to Park Street bus gate

Independent businesses said they will leave Park Street if the proposed scheme goes ahead"

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/businesses-say-we-leave-...

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For Park Street’s oldest business, it is claimed the proposed scheme would be the beginning of the end.  Woodes, a café which opened in 1966 and has remained at 18 Park Street ever since, has seen customers dwindle in recent years but the owner, Rudy, said that residents will suffer.

… He said: “Park Street used to have a bank on it, a Waterstones, had lots of independent clothes shops, furniture shops, lighting shops.

“The high street has changed from quirky, interesting independent shops to coffee shop, coffee shop, coffee shop. It’s gone from being a place good for wandering around to just shops selling the same product.”

Seems like that decline is nothing to do with the CAZ or bus gates and everything to do with there being more coffee shops?

 

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 3 days ago
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Wonder what could ultimately be behind that though?

* Strokes chin, looking at the changes in the high street over the last few decades: the continuing growth of motornormativity, online everything, cultural shifts in consumption ... then shakes head - no, must be buses or cycling or something. *

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brooksby replied to chrisonabike | 3 days ago
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Its ridiculous, though: I do not for one moment believe that people drive onto Park Street and then park their car outside (or even, near) Woodes to get a coffee or whatever.  And TBH I don't imagine that very many park outside, or near, any of the shops on Park Street.  It just isn't that sort of a road.

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slc replied to brooksby | 3 days ago
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brooksby wrote:

Its ridiculous, though: I do not for one moment believe that people drive onto Park Street and then park their car outside (or even, near) Woodes to get a coffee or whatever.  And TBH I don't imagine that very many park outside, or near, any of the shops on Park Street.  It just isn't that sort of a road.

I'll miss Woodes if it does indeed vanish, but the idea that motorists kept it going is bizarre. It is surrounded by some major workplaces in easy walking distance: the council, the university, environment agency. Working from home?

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Dnnnnnn replied to brooksby | 3 days ago
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brooksby wrote:

It just isn't that sort of a road.

You're right - it's more like Cotham Hill and just look how that has been ruined (ruined!) by being closed to through traffic and filled with nice shops and restaurants.

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brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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Ah, Park Street - that lovely area of artisan merchants and free flowing traffic 

(note the double-parked van facing oncoming traffic and stopped *right next to a parking space)

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slc | 2 weeks ago
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Not Park St, but fairly near, in a region of the city that was essentially given over to heavy traffic infrastructure. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2p542743wo

https://harbourhopes.co.uk/

"It is within easy reach of both the centre of Bristol and the green of Ashton Court by foot or by bike."

There has been a reasonable route throgh the current mess for peds and bikes, but it has been closed now for months to suit the developers of an adjacent plot. The route (sustrans signs and all) is permitted rather than a public right of way. I want to see if the new plans make the situation worse.

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hawkinspeter replied to slc | 2 weeks ago
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slc wrote:

Not Park St, but fairly near, in a region of the city that was essentially given over to heavy traffic infrastructure. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2p542743wo

https://harbourhopes.co.uk/

"It is within easy reach of both the centre of Bristol and the green of Ashton Court by foot or by bike."

There has been a reasonable route throgh the current mess for peds and bikes, but it has been closed now for months to suit the developers of an adjacent plot. The route (sustrans signs and all) is permitted rather than a public right of way. I want to see if the new plans make the situation worse.

I often come into Bristol along the dual carriageway there as it's quicker than trying to find my way on the bike paths, but then I'm used to dealing with heavy traffic.

That should be a lovely area if it's properly developed and they sort out the road mess.

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hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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Tory metro mayor candidate slams plans to close Park Street to through-traffic: https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/tory-metro-mayor-candidate-slams-plans-close-park-street-through-traffic/

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Steve Smith predicts that if the plans as part of improvements to the number 2 bus route go ahead, they will put jobs at risk by “hammering” the businesses along the road.

Park Street has historically been one of Bristol’s most exclusive shopping districts but in recent years has lost much of its glamour.

Former councillor Smith’s dire predictions are not born out by studies from across the world.

Academic research has proved that “urban regeneration through pedestrianised spaces has shown to increase physical activity levels, reduce car dependency and improve economic activity”.

Evidence also shows that pedestrianisation generally has a positive or neutral effect economically, with shop vacancy rates five times higher on streets with high levels of traffic.

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hawkinspeter | 3 weeks ago
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/park-street-businesses-s...

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Independent businesses along one of Bristol’s most famous streets, which is subject to a £15 million transformation scheme, say the plans “will have a catastrophic effect” on the street. In January, Bristol City Council announced that Park Street could soon have a bus gate at one end and a bus lane at the other, closing the road to through traffic.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 3 weeks ago
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Just send 'em over here or here...

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slc replied to chrisonabike | 3 weeks ago
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I enjoy the way that  motor traffic reduction opposers (always) claim that their concern is entirely about congestion and air pollution near schools and hospitals. 

I can at least set their mind to rest about motorists driving to and parking on Park Street. Everyone knows that you can't park on Park Street because there are too many parked cars. Same on Park Row. University road does have the odd space but you have to pay which is clearly unacceptable once you have paid road tax.

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chrisonabike replied to slc | 3 weeks ago
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Indeed - and only right outside schools and hospitals, because that's where it "makes sense" - but measures extending further from these places clearly don't.

(Do they think children appear like lemmings from hatches just in front of the schools?  Wait - substitute "SUV" for "hatch" and I think they might be on to something...)

Park Street - not bein' funny but it's literally the name of the street?!

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quiff replied to slc | 3 weeks ago
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slc wrote:

Everyone knows that you can't park on Park Street because there are too many parked cars. Same on Park Row. 

Surely the origin of the road names.  

EDIT: should have read chrisonabike's reply first...

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slc replied to quiff | 3 weeks ago
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Doubtless, which is why I avoid the eastern parts of Kingswood.

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ktache | 1 month ago
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None of these artists impressions ever show huge tailbacks of massive SUVs nose to tail. Engines running, phones a scrolling. You know, reality...

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chrisonabike replied to ktache | 1 month ago
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They should get ColdWarSteve in to do 'em.

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brooksby | 1 month ago
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Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

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brooksby replied to hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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Bristol Park Street?

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 1 month ago
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chrisonabike wrote:

Bristol Park Street?

That looks more like Gin Lane

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slc replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

Also wanted: an uphill travellator for peds and bikes. Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs, and the quintessential hill-of-cycling-prevention. 

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brooksby replied to slc | 1 month ago
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slc wrote:

brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

Also wanted: an uphill travellator for peds and bikes. Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs, and the quintessential hill-of-cycling-prevention. 

I ride it every day, as I work just off Park Street.

You know, I have noticed that going down it is a lot easier than going up yes

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Dnnnnnn replied to slc | 1 month ago
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slc wrote:

Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs

That's why I tend to go via Colston Street and Park Row!

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slc replied to Dnnnnnn | 1 month ago
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Dnnnnnn wrote:

slc wrote:

Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs

That's why I tend to go via Colston Street and Park Row!

Jacob's Wells Road for me. Similar gradient, fewer witnesses.  

 

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hawkinspeter replied to slc | 1 month ago
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slc wrote:

Jacob's Wells Road for me. Similar gradient, fewer witnesses.  

I'm just glad that the cycle path towards the new Ashley Down station has re-opened as I was often going up Ashley Hill instead - guaranteed to have a car or two following you.

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chrisonabike | 1 month ago
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(The Post didn't seem to have all the pics - they are available on the council's news site here).

The design details - such as you can see on a very cursory inspection - look good.  In particular the continuous footway (Robert Weetman has a good guide to different "styles" and a checklist for assessing "quality" / effectiveness here).

But how does it look at the network level?

Obviously with Bristol's hills, quite a few people would appreciate public transport to get up them - but will it feel safe grinding uphill with the buses?  (Answer: probably an improvement compared to doing same plus cars?)  Will the buses just get stuck behind all the traffic at the "bus gates"?  (AKA "where do you want us to put the congestion?")

Does it aid any "cycling network"?

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 1 month ago
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I think the changes are going to be of more benefit to pedestrians and the shops along Park St, but there's usually a fair amount of two wheeled traffic up and down there. The hill won't be so problematic for the e-bike/e-scooter riders.

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Bmblbzzz replied to hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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Although "run up Park St faster than the two-up e-scooter" is a fun game.

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